is a feminist writer and opinion columnist with the Guardian U.S., as well as a writer in residence for the Clayman Institute for Gender Research at Stanford University.
Moira, always a pleasure to be with you. I will let our audience know that we actually had another episode that was going to be dropping. We actually recorded on the eve of the verdict with the episode ready to run, and we’ve gotten the verdict in now. We know that the former president, Donald Trump, has been convicted on 34 felony counts in New York before a New York jury comprised of 12 individuals, everyday New Yorkers as part of that.
You know, the crime element, because as you said, Michele, paying somebody to shut up is actually not illegal. We can debate whether or not that’s a healthy state of affairs or what kind of patterns in our society those transactions facilitate, but it’s perfectly legal under the letter of the law. Having her sign an NDA in exchange for $130,000 was not illegal conduct. What was illegal was the coverup. This is what they always say: It’s not the underlying conduct that they get you.
Then there are the ones that are the bigger ones, but I point out these kind of low ones, low dollar amount ones for those people who are like just going after Donald Trump. That this never happens. That they never in New York prosecute people for falsifying records, and it turns out they do this all the time.
You’ve already mentioned the one election, the 2016, and then you mentioned the 2020 election and here is a third that’s really messy. What do you make of that? Like each one, it’s kind of reflective of just a sort of poorness of character and also somebody who may get ahead but does so in a way that always leaves behind a trail of disaster.Yeah. You know, I could spend all day psychoanalyzing Donald Trump.
I also hope that Democrats take some heart at the expressions of real jubilation and relief that we’re seeing on the streets today. People are happy and vindicated that the institution of this criminal court decided to take Donald Trump’s crime seriously and not to excuse him because he’s Donald Trump and to try and hold him accountable. I hope others of our institutions will follow.
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