trial is what a #MeToo backlash looks like. Here are the facts of the case. Depp is suing Heard for defamation after she described herself in a 2018 article that didn’t mention him as a “public figure representing domestic abuse”. Depp says he is innocent of abuse and her statement amounts to lying. On his side are two facts that seem clear. Heard promised to donate her entire divorce settlement to charity, and didn’t. There is a recording in which she admits to hitting Depp.
The idea that Heard is a manipulator, a fantasist and an abuser herself has caught fire across all social media Whether or not Heard’s accusers fully realise it then, setting up “bad” victims in opposition to “genuine” ones is a very effective method of unpicking #MeToo. It is only the rare misogynist who outright admits they don’t believe women. Their objection has always been just to this one bitch, who is lying.
She isn’t a “imperfect victim” she is a VICTIMIZER, end
My girlfriend is a domestic violence survivor. Articles like this bring us back to the 18th century Martha. Please use your power as a journalist to empower men and women alike not simply shun the minorities to suit your narrative and deprive people from justice.
pPease define the metoo movement. Because this is more like the exceptional women movement. Women are given exceptional tolerance far beyond what any man would be given. And it seems like a womans word is taken more seriously than a man's. Metoo is about women being better.
So metoo is over if we don't listen to abusers?
Martha_Gill guardian acting as tabloid 🤣
LOL
How about we just yeet you to the nearest body of water?
looks like amber was not heard
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This trial is about did amber heard exaggerate abuse and use it to increase her wealth and fame and ruin Johnny and his career. The answer is yes and she is guilty of it from the overwhelming proof. Yeah it was a crappy relationship. No Johnny was not a violent monster.
'Imperfect victim' X,Do An abuser who manipulates, gaslights and destroys her victims reputation, career, psyche and life in general. She's imperfect alright. Just a biiiiit.
I read your article and as a feminist I must say it is a disgrace to the whole movement. You are essentially saying that pursuing an ideology is more important than a person's innocence. I fo one refuse to be part of an unhumane ideology.
If MeToo is used to protect abusers like Amber Heard, then maybe it’s time for it to be over.
Ok see here’s the problem, she’s not an imperfect victim, she was is the abuser.
Please, please tell us your definition of a “perfect victim”. It’s your term, now define it.
What about imperfect victims like Johnny?
The Guardian really needs an opinion on fucking everything don't they
'Imperfect victim' 🤣🤣
Calling AmberTurd an 'imperfect victim' is underselling it to the point you could write 'Jim Jones is an imperfect mixologist'
Martha_Gill I think this piece would be better served as toilet paper I’m afraid, Martha. It’s actually insulting.
Metoo was over the moment it's founders were caught red handed.
Metoo is over. Women overplayed their hand yet again.
Both of them are as bad as each other. Both are victims of abuse. Plus she literally shat the bed. Let’s not pretend she’s innocent in this whole toxic affair.
What the actual fuck is an “imperfect victim”? A lie is a lie. The idea we should believe someone even when their lie is exposed is the definition of “doublespeak” from 1984. You done lost a reader.
She's not a victim, she's an abuser. And no amount of PR is going to change that.
Martha_Gill As a survivor of domestic violence, this article was gross, biased, and fully cherry picked. It’s wild that you can listen to her denigrate him for avoiding conflict, admit to physical violence, get caught in lies…and still use her to spearhead a cause for your story. Shameful.
Donation =/= pledge Abuser =/= imperfect victim I did start a physical fight =/= fighting back Stop making up definitions that suit your frickin' agenda JusticeForJohnnyDepp IStandWithJohnnyDepp AmberTurd MePoo
If she is imperfect victim then she is not victim at all. She is a liar, cheater, dishonest, brutal.
What's an imperfect victim
Martha gill has misplaced her vagina AND her sense of ethics. I do not believe Amber. We are both Texans and believe me.... she does NOT have a good reputation there either. Martha can eat her article.
She's not a victim. She's the poopetrator.
it is only a matter of time before we see an Guardian opinion piece claiming that if we don't believe Amber Heard we will responsible for irreversible climate change
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She's not an 'imperfect victim'. She is an abuser.
Your title is wrong 'MeToo is over if we don't listen to 'imperfect victims' like Johnny Depp'
😂😂😂 the problem with MeToo is this misconception that every victim be trusted. I’m female and believe one must use critical thinking and common sense before persecuting someone. I have seen girls lie about getting assaulted.
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Martha_Gill Good. We shouldn’t blindly believe anyone.
Bro she took a dump on someones bed
Imperfect víctims who lie don't deserve to be heard. How much did Elon Musk pay for this article? 🤑
Johnny Depp is the “imperfect victim” in this case, because he’s a man. AbuseHasNoGender MeToo MenToo
Humanity is over if we believe in lies like yours.
Articles like these are the reason I no longer read the Guardian.
If MeToo was 'always believe women, no matter what, and cancel the accused, no matter what', then I'm happy that it is over.
What Amber did w/her bad behavior was allow the metoo definition of 'victimhood' to include men. It's allowing removal of a double standard, which many years limited services to male victims, ripped them from fatherhood, from even being allowed defining themselves as victims.
MeToo will not die with one liar. Just because there is one woman, who we initially believed, who decided to use the movement to her advantage - doesn't mean the thousands of women who came out against their harassers are invalidated.
Imperfect YES Victim NO
Martha_Gill This article is an example of why there is a backlash to MeToo. Talks about 'imperfect victims' but doesn't for a second consider Male victims. Doesn't consider that Depp is the real victim. Heard mocked Depp saying nobody would believe he was a victim & media blindly obliged.
Typical biased media. Glad the entire episode is on the internet for public to view and make their conclusions. Days of media is numbered ! smh AmberHeardlsAnAbuser JusticeForJohnnyDepp
MenToo Men are victims of Domestic Violence Too!!
Not once does she mention Heards testimony at the trial. Clearly she hasn’t been watching it.
An imperfect victim with tons of evidences against her for being an abuser.
If 99 out of 100 victims are women, you don't just ignore the 1 person who happens to be a male. We are not making a case about statistics, we are simply saying Johnny was a victim in this specific case. Read the room.
What about Mason Greenwoods girlfriend
People listened to her, everyone believed her and then she was proven to be a liar. Her and her alone is the reason why metoo is over and not because people don’t believe her. Is because she is an abuser that took advantage of the metoo movement
Also, I can't understand why you are such stubborn on supporting Heard, even if there would be huge reasons to do reverse? Yes, metoo is done, because it's not about justice, turned out it is power war.
This is some Grade A PR $$$$ at work. Way to go Amber Heard.😂😂
One problem is this: you have published a lot on how erroneous UK judiciary system is; plus, any common sense would agree sometimes people convicted for wrong, due to lack of evidences. Ok, why then on earth Depp's case would be for sure?! Any reason?
Lol 😂
Dear Guardian, all due respect, you & most of your freelanceers SUCK. I have read the article, no reference to any evidence, no indication to realize if people are wrong, just because a UK court convicted him, then he should be convicted forever. Nice! Good reason.
If The Guardian distorts reality this much when we can see the evidence, imagine how much they distort it when we cant.
realamberheard is actually mepoo 😆
Depp has the means to hire top lawyers, get Heard's lies on public display, and still fights an uphill battle to be believed, because - hey, he's a man. Imagine any male victim of abuse who can't afford to do that. Every F is right, every M is an abuser? Surely not EVERY time.
On the contrary, she is the perfect victim.The problem is with the people that fall for the victimhood!Shed a tear,put the scared or sad face,and you’ll fool people2give you what you want!That’s wrong!Victimhood is wrong!The real victims suffer from all the fake victims out there
This is a ridiculous and lazy narrative designed to mislead people who have not watched the ACTUAL court proceedings for themselves. A blatant and over-reaching attempt to “gaslight”the public to believe the side that MSM wants to portray, for THEIR OWN SELFISH GAIN.
Amber heard has completely ruined metoo and proved that you can't always just believe someone just because they said it. Evidence and facts are what's important. Not hearsay.
Sad media attempt to support Amber.
Stop gender biases. It's all about the facts and evidences (the recordings) Amber is the abuser and the reason metoo movement is lost.
The MeToo movement should not use her experience as something to focus on. The focus should be an any victim regardless of gender. It should also focus on someone who hasn't lied and actually abused more than one person. Support all victims.
Whenever something becomes a political movement it is lost.
Hey metoo. You sure you wanna make Amber (lies through her teeth) Heard the poster child for your movement? A woman lacking even the slightest degree of integrity?
Is this a joke?
The MeToo movement loses credibility and might be over because we are listening to people without evidence that are actually taking away the credibility to those who are suffering for real… she's not an “imperfect victim”, she's a psycho…
The problem is blindly believing lying, manipulative women who use metoo as a weapon! You want to be believed? Do it right! You get hurt, go to the cops IMMEDIATELY. Defend yourselves. Waiting years to make an unsubstantiated accusation destroys your credibility!
Let’s talk about Amber saying she didn’t want anything. Here is part of her restraining order where she is demanding 3 paid penthouse’s, $50,000/MONTH for the rest of her life, brand new Range Rover.. etc. THIS IS NOTHING?! Wtf. thevivafrei SkyNews
Or there are other wemon that could be the face of metoo just saying 🤔
The MeToo movement is still alive but it's turning against Heard. DeppvHeard JohnnyDeppAmberHeardTrial
“Tell them, I, Johnny Depp, I'm a victim of domestic abuse ... and see how many people believe or side with you.' You're listening to the wrong imperfect victim. DeppVsHeard JusticeForJohnnyDeep
Unbelievably poor take. It's inevitable & saddening that there will be bad faith actors who seize this case as an opportunity to attack MeToo - But the suggestion that if you don't believe Heard (against ever mounting evidence) your somehow not a feminist is equally damaging.
MeToo Movement = Richmen Predator Secret Organization? AmberHeardIsALiar AmberHeardlsAnAbuser AmberHeardlsApsychopath IStandWithJohnnyDepp JusticeForJohnnyDepp
Our default should be to listen to people who report abuse. We should acknowledge that both women and men can be victims of abuse. Making a false report with intent to harm is a form of abuse. We know that the % of women who make false reports is very low, but not nonexistent.
Ignorant statement. Men are victims too.
Martha Gill doesn't understand anything about Domestic Violence and doesn't find it important to mention that Amber Heard was once jailed for abusing her ex partner. Instead she berates 'young women' forgetting to mention that many are DV survivors. So who's sexist here, really?
How can we help people become better if we can't also tell them the things they have done wrong and need help with? It achieves the opposite of peace. Everyone is so hostile.
Dear Guardian, MeToo is going to lose it's credibility with articles like that. Sincerely, a DA and SA surviver
IF they are victims and not the ABUSERS, paidrag
Metoo is about to get BETTER when we start listening to both male and female victims and start asking for change and healing for both.
Disgusting
I don't want to see this nonsense on my twitter again.
Double Standard?
How the unholy fuck is that psycho a victim?
She's not a victim. She's the perpetrator. When we accept false victims we all lose. AmberHeardlsAnAbuser
Oh please stop it's embarrassing to pit two genders against each other. Johnny is the victim she is a scrounging liar
MeToo is a sickness.
Victim?!! Gill here forgot the import thing called the truth. There is no credible evidence she was abused but there plenty she was a abuser. Gill own cognitive dissonance blinds her to the facts and truth.
She's not perfect, just like the person she accused, who also happens to be her accuser. People are listening to her, they are considering the evidence in her case. She is having a fair trial and it's up to the Jury.
As a woman who has been the victim of abuse... Shut up gaurdian. Bad journalism ... try actually watching the trial. Johnny is the one being abused. Try supporting men who come forward and need support instead of just supporting a liar with easily disproven evidence. Shame on you
MeToo is also over if we listen to accusers uncritically. In this country we're supposed to require proof. A story by itself isn't enough, even with the most sympathetic of storytellers.
Horrific headline, read the room
IT'S NOT OVER! BUT LIARS WHO ARE ABUSIVE LIKE AMBER SHOULD BE JAILED.
Is she really a victim at all if she instigated at least half the time and lied most of the time? If she's known to be violent and brought out some(?) violence in her victim after years of goading and beating
Martha_Gill So I HAVE to believe this woman, in order to demonstrate I believe women more generally? Ridiculous.
She is not the victim though, Johnny is! She is a disgrace to women and to real DV victims
Irony of this all is that because Johnny drinks, and is violent towards objects, he is conflated to be an abuser and not worthy of sympathy. Hmmmmm
Call a Liar and an abuser what she is not an imperfect victim.
'Believe all women' is inherently misogynistic because it implies that women are incapable of deceit, manipulation, and being physically violent.
Look she lied evidence is there stop being sentimental and face reality that woman and men are victims , stop painting the narrative you are disgrace you have no shame by, back a woman who lied through her teeth for six years about a man character that never existed.
You had such a great opportunity for MeToo to work. You only had to recognise JD as a victim an support him. Rather then blindly following AH. Except men can suffer from DV an the movement would only get stronger
Is this the left wing? What wing is this? It's not about men or women. It's about justice.
Sometimes I think the people who insist on defending these kind of toxic individuals (because it’s more advantageous to frame them as a victim) are just as fucked up as them.
What about that video of heards sister where heard had beaten her up and her ex girlfriend going to the police over her DV....sorry she's the abuser, she has previous form. She's very calculating.
Victim?
She’s the abuser. 100% her.
You say imperfect victim I say liar 🤷♀️ JusticeForJohnnyDepp WeJustDontLikeYouAmber AmberTurdIsAnAbuser
In 2016 that judge was related to her! They stacked the deck against Depp. This is justice now.
You people are showing you don’t care about real Justice or equality. You want superiority.
I think the word she is looking for is LIAR
Lol shame on these so called feminists
Wow, as distorted reporting goes, this is pretty shameless. Heard didn’t just ‘promise’ $7m to charity, she stated under oath she’d already donated it - she perjured herself and the U.K. judge relied on that lie as evidence of her good character. She didn’t just ‘admit to hitting
Listening to Amber is what killed it. She lied about Johnny, and essentially ruined her career. I hope she never gets work again.
Nope. metoo is lost if we deny the truth. Fake victimising should be abbhorent. She tried to destroy his life and career for no good reason.
Then it is over.
No, MeToo is over if men can’t add their voices to the conversation. We cannot gatekeep the experience of being abused.
How is she an imperfect victim? People aren’t listening to her or believing her because she isn’t a victim.
is 'imperfect victim' another term for lying abuser?
metoo is over when imperfect women go and lie about men beating them
I’m pretty sure exaggerative headlines like this one do a lot more damage to MeToo than people forming an independent opinion on Heard v Depp
SHE IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT A VICTIM. This woman is an EVIL INSTIGATOR.
Lmaooooo
Why should we listen to amber? She's already been shown to be an abusive, vindictive, gold digging bitch. She should be made an example to remind people you don't make false allegations to ruin a person's life just for you're gain.
i mean....
You are a joke 😂
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metoo is over if we dont listen to abusers, that make a mockery of a movement because it makes them invincible to criticism
She is a proven self confessed abuser and needs to be held accountable - don’t minimise her actions with descriptions such as imperfect
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There's no such thing as 'imperfect victims'. That's just a excuse to justify shitty attitudes and behaviours just like Amber Heard is. Where's justice and equality then, if media and (true) feminism activists are going to justify rotten deeds and actions like this?
Amber heard is not a victim period. JD, on the other hand, has all the evidence supporting him being abused, and you still aren't apologizing to the actual victim? How's that amber perjury case going in AUSTRALIA?
Have you watched the trial? Girl literally said she used bruise kit after she applied foundation.
Martha_Gill Biggest issue with this article despite the article almost spelling it out is. Nobody else is saying me too about Johnny dep, Kate moss his ex has publicly stated jd wasn’t abusive to her. There is no me too in this case. Just stretched gender politics.
IMPERFECT? Amber imperfect? Nah not Amber! What dude she 'donated' millions to charities, tried to save johnny on so many occasions, gave ALL her friends PH's to live in for free. How can you say shes an 'imperfect victim' WHEN SHES A PERFECT LIAR! JusticeForJohnnyDepp
She ia an imperfect abuser. Johnny is the imperfect victim. Listen to the tapes. Her own words tell the truth. AmberHeardlsAnAbuser. IStandWithJohnnyDepp
How about the evidence produced by Depp suggesting he was abused too. How about Amber boldly telling Depp that no one will believe him if he comes out to say he is a victim of domestic violence or he Depp doesn’t deserve support because he is a man?
I am sorry but no! we need to listen to MeToo, but we should also stay objective! And the fact that you fail to conclude after all the evidence that Johnny Depp is the victim here, is ridiculous! Shame on you!
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It is exactly articles like this that fuel the justice for Johnny Depp hashtag. If I didn't watch the trial myself, I would have thought Johnny Depp a monster. The misrepresentation of the facts is what is fueling this supposed pile up on Amber Heard.
And as a survivor I am so very angry that you are looking at the verifiable lies she is telling in court and taking her side and completely ignoring the fact that he was sober until he got together with amber and her druggie friends. Her friends that he supported. While they use
So nowadays,a liar can become an 'imperfect victim'? Niiiiice...
Amber has been lying over and over again So I hope you are not saying we should listen to women who lie about being abused and still take their word for it.
Why can you not believe women can abuse men too? In Colorado Springs Colorado a man tried to leave his wife. She showed up at the air force academy and stabbed him. Men have to get it on video before anyone believes them.
If your movement is about believe all woman and falsely accuse a man then let your movement die. He has all the evidences and you still believe her because of gender. metoo is a joke at this point.
If ‘imperfect victims’ means 'lying her ass of' then yes, Amber is an imperfect victim
Amber has bpd. This means when the person is afraid or angry their rages are total chaos and uncontrollable. She easily did all that damage she is claiming jd did. And that glare she gave her sister while her sister lied for her on the stand. Everyone is telling a different one.
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MeToo is the personification of 'Guilty until proven innocent' and it needs to die. Justice should be held in the court of law, not by a hashtag, free for anyone to abuse. The fact your article still labels her a victim despite the amount of evidence only proves I'm right.
The only stuff in court I have seen that makes jd look bad is the banging of cabinets. The calling names. The nastiness to her. Cheating on her. Throwing things, breaking things and alchohol and drug abuse. Amber can't keep her own story straight while jd can.
MeToo must listen to individual women who cry ‘victim’, while engaging in domestic violence; participating in physical, mental, emotional and vulgar psychological attacks on their victims, ensuring accountability. No EXCUSES! Imperfect Victims? Really? DeppVsHeard DeppvHeard
I believe women are abused each and everyday, and I was one of them. But when one comes forward with stories of horrendous abuse but has no proof, never documented and seems to have fabricated 99% of her stories, those are the ones who will kill MeToo movement JusticeForJohnny
Literally defending abuser. Well done. Hypocrisy as full display. You guys are sexist. When a male is a victim b on one cares.
She is a liar and trash. She deserves everything that she gets from here on out.
You misspelled 'liars'.
When I was with my ex he had police, therapists and a judge tell him he couldn't treat me the way amber treated Johnny. Following and letting him go harranging him to continue the fight. Recording and retaliation. It's part of dv. Yet you don't seem to think her behavior is bad
She needs to be put down
You're talking about the woman who used another woman's abuse story and presented it as her own, right? MeToo
She's not a victim though?
What an absolutely disgusting article. Such a dangerous way of thinking too. Johnny is giving his side of things as a victim and you are making it about having to believe Amber simply because she's a woman despite the overwhelming evidence against her.
Stop.
First you need evidence to show she was a victim and not an abuser. Then we can talk about imperfect victims. Watching the case, I feel JD being a man and celebrity was imperfect victim.
I've supported most of the metoo victims. But the movement has obviously been abused too. It's clear they both abused each other to some extent. If anything it seems like she was the one to actually get physical though. But who knows what really happened, we should assume.
The funny thing being that the 'imperfect' victim here is Johnny, not Amber. But you want to go support the abuser who is a proven liar. Not a good look.
So my abuser is a victim too? What kind of absurd world do we live in? if Johnny wins. we won the real victims of abuse JusticeForJohnny
We can all watch the trial. Johnny is the imperfect victim, AmberHeardlsAnAbuser
In the future, deception is revealed by major news sources. Not pushed by them.
The level of gaslighting going on here is getting seriously fucked up.
It's not over..just includes mentoo
Huh?
What about male victims? They were both abusive. And amber heard is abusive to everyone.
Good, free human beings from the the narcissistic manipulators.
As I remember, a victim stepped into the public and the public listened and comforted them and other victim saw that and came forward too. Their stories were compared and the evidence(if there was one) got looked into. Then the outcry for justice got so big that the law had to
She's not a victim though. JD is the imperfect victim. MeToo MenToo
Here, let's listen to this 'victim': “I was hitting you, I was not punching you. Babe, you're not punched.” “Tell them, I, Johnny Depp, I'm a victim of domestic abuse ... and see how many people believe or side with you.” MenToo
AmberTurd JusticeForJohnnyDepp JusticeForJohnny AmberHeardIsALiar AmberHeardDeservesJail AmberHeardlsApsychopath AmberHeardIsAnAbuser AmberHeardDeservesPrison AmberHeardCommittedPerjury
Oh ffs.
Gender equality doesn't mean metoo can be all about women! Someone doesn't have to be fragile, unemployed, FEMALE to be the 'perfect victim'... What a non sensible article, I assume her new PR is working overtime.
metoo was lead at one point by a female pedophile Asia Argento, and Amber Heard is guilty as can be. What is this article even trying to prove?
Do visit your GP and ask them for a referral, you are clearly delusional and spreading your delusions. realamberheard is the perpetrator, and that’s a fact. No buts or ifs.
'Imperfect' JusticeForJohnnyDepp
Me too was over the minute a single woman lied about being a victim even if she wasn’t an abuser
MeToo is ruined because the media wants us to support an abuser like Amber Heard just because she's a woman instead of supporting the actual victim because he's a man. If MeToo isn't reformed to include ALL VICTIMS regardless of gender, then it's better if it dies for good.
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Imperfect victims or Perfect Attacker?
So you invalidate johnny depps history of being domestically abused (with recorded evidence). Doesnt sound very metoo of you does it
Biased article. You overlooked to mention other obvious facts in favour of JD. Mainstream journalism is really dead. Your opinions no longer matter as the public can now make their decisions directly from evidence live streamed. That was the main major flaw with the UK trial.
Was that Heard PR money worth it?
If MeToo stands for 'Believe women no matter what', then yes it should be over. However, if MeToo stood for 'Believe the victim based on evidence provided' Then it becomes genderless and fact based, which people can get behind. A victim is a victim no matter their gender.
Soo the metoo movement falls on listening to amber 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ do not disrespect actually women who been put through the ringer with this. She was in an abusive relationship with jd and lied about many aspects of her situation..
Everyone listened to AH. For 61 hours and 30 minutes. And it did not come CLOSE to proving abuse (although a jury will finally decide). Is there anything more to your suggestion than that?
I have no idea who Martha Gill is, but you need to fire her asap.
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Are we watching the same trial?
Imperfect victims? Johnny Depp is the imperfect victim in this situation. Heard 'story' performance is all over the place and looks bad for actual DV victims. Believing Heard JUST because she is female is appalling.
Is this what you mean by an 'imperfect victim'? Women can be the instigators of domestic violence too.
Almost all of the people who have been following the trial don't believe AH is the victim here. JD is the victim, imperfect though he may be. JusticeForJohnny
bollox
So feminists who don't believe her are not really feminists now? AH does not have to be a perfect victim. She has to be a believable one. And MeToo does need to be modified a bit, but no one reason for it to be over. JD may still lose, but might be due to lack of career impact.
I think the only way Amber Heard will be proven guilty from the media's perspective is if Johnny stopped breathing. But ofc, she'll lie in self-defense and still be protected and pardoned or no charges at all. This trial just opened my eyes to extreme misandry. AmberIsALiar
To invoke the Kavannah case as a defence of MeToo suggests the author didn't follow the case. Her story of Heard suggests she hasn't followed this one either. Blaming other 🚺rather than criticise BlaseyFord & Heard, for the demise of the MeToo seems arse about face too.
Amber ISN'T a victim though is she! She's the ABUSER! STOP making EXCUSES for an abuser because she's a WOMAN! DO BETTER! JusticeForJohnnyDeep DeppvHeard AmberHeardlsALiar AmberHeardlsApsychopath
I’m extremely disturbed by this idea that we should accept people’s stories without evidence to support their claims, and even worse, when there IS evidence to counter their claim, we should ignore it and continue to believe them. Sorry, I can’t, I’m not dumb.
MenToo like Johnny Depp and Phil Hartman that are abused by their wives/girlfriends need to be listened to also w/o bias. MeToo and BelieveAllWomen are used as kryptonite to silence and paralyze men that are falsely accused of crimes. JusticeForAll
'Imperfect victims'? You're not a victim when you're just as much of an antagonist as the other person.
Amber Heard has done nothing but damage to the MeToo she has lied over and over and it has been proven over and over. guardian you can't remove what all our eyes gas seen and all our ears have heard
HUH
To be an imperfect victim don't you actually have to be a victim?
The way its looking, they both abused each other, so they are both the victims and the perpetrator?
'imperfect victims'? You mean a liar, evil and psychopath 'victim'? Just because of her gender?
Lmao, bc she has a vagina she is the victim? She is a predator.
Amber Heard would be the cause of death of the MeToo movement if it does indeed die (which it will not). The invalidation of male victims is the most dangerous threat to the movement right now, not 'imperfect victims'. VERY poor description of Amber btw.
This is shockingly bad take. This is no about AH being an imperfect victim. Have you even been watching the testimonies?
MeToo ended when joe Biden got accused and then U voted for him
So the bigger picture and your agenda is more important than the truth?
JusticeForJohhnyDepp . You should be ashamed for this garbage.
But she’s not a victim.
AmberHerd is NOT part of the MeToo movement. She is part of the “ME ME ME” narcissisticabuse “movement”AmberHeardlsALiar AmberHeardIsAnAbuser IStandWithJohnnyDepp
metoo is for victims of violence, period. Women don’t hold a corner market on getting hit / punched / kicked.
She's way more than an 'imperfect victim'. She's a lier, before anything else. The story she tells just don't fit with the facts and pictures and audios and such. Only her freeloader friends confirm what she said and only because she told'em. Me too has nothing to do with it .
She isn't a victim.
AmberHeardisaFRAUD
Victim? No victim acts like her in that tape of her cackling like the joker while mocking depp and putting him down. Scary Thing is she probably had a chance with her lies if she didn’t make outrageous claims she can’t prove instead of “he hit me sometimes”,not he beat my face in
Journalism is over if journalists don’t listen to facts and evidence. Truth matters.
metoo could've sided with Johnny as we believe victims, Amber is not the victim here
Martha Gill seems to be a bad person as well
SHE’S NOT A VICTIM!SHE’S A LIAR!WE BELIEVE WOMEN,WE DON’T BELIEVE LIARS!WE BELIEVE IN MULTIPLE PIECES OF EVIDENCE!WE BELIEVE THAT MEN CAN BE VICTIMS OF DV TOO!WE BELIEVE WOMEN CAN BE MANIPULATIVE SCUMS TOO!What I don’t believe anymore is The Guardian &mainstream media in general.
JD is the 'imperfect victim' here, Heard is the perpetrator but your sexist mind can't see it.
IMPERFECT SHE LITERALLY TOOK A MAN’S FINGER TIP OFF BYEEEEE JusticeForJohnnyDepp
Dear Guardian, what a bunch of bollocks. Where is your journalistic integrity and balance, not to mention common sense? Why don't you apply the same standard of proof for AH that you did for JD? I got news for you: Me Too is already over, thx to the fakers like AH
The public listened to the actual victim=Johnny Depp! AmberHeardlsAnAbuser amberturd JusticeForJohnny AmberHeardlsALiar MePoo MenToo
I guess Amber single-handedly destroys the reputation of metoo then. Moral of story: every case is different. Listen and have an open mind before casting a judgment against someone.
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Their marriage, their business. They were both abusive. The issue is that she could have penned an op-ed to say “this relationship was mutually abusive—get help & get out of it’s you too.” She didn’t. Share your truth, but make sure it’s wholly true. She lied intentionally.
Media like you are the reason why MeToo movement is being mocked now. If you’ve been watching the trials you can clearly see that AmberTurd is lying n can’t get her facts straight. She outright admitted she didn’t donate the $7M funds to charity but you paid media support her🤦🏻♂️
Believe her about what? She's committed puregery, falsified evidence.. men are victims too and JD has experienced violence in that relationship. Let's not pretend like Amber Heard is a victim anymore. She had an equal hand in the violence escalating
जाॅनी डेप जिंदाबाद.... एम्बर हर्ड मुर्दाबाद
‘Imperfect victims’? AH is practically the abuser & a lying narcissist. evidenceisallthere
All survivors are “imperfect” victims, as all of us are real people. Not all of us are pathological liars. MeToo
“Me too is over if we don’t let women abuse their husbands!” Get over yourself. MeToo is behind Johnny, not his abuser.
Martha_Gill Yeah MeToo is over and this article right now helps keep it dead. “ Sure, she’s a woman so she must be a victim”. This makes the movement seem more about misandry than anything else. Good job.
MeToo is over if you don’t listen to ‘evidencs’ and close your eyes. Lie ruins everything.
So basically what you’re saying is: “screw Johnny Depp and other victims of DV because it brings down the metoo movement” Just goes to show how y’all care more about the movement and it’s slogan than actual DV. Trendhoppers
'Imperfect' is an interesting way of putting it.
Amber heard stating she never seen herself as a victim. Weird, almost as if...she is the abuser!
You can not hide. One thing's for certain. This trial has shown us what media outlets are full of S**T. 🙄🤦 Thanks for the bias clarity. MenToo
Balderdash!!
media outlets like u are the death of society
But she is not a victim. The fact that metoo still stand by her disgust me. What you're doing here only make real female victim look bad. If you want to save your movement then do the right thing.
tf is wrong with you? Justice will get u JusticeForJohhnyDepp
Just Google pictures of real abused women and you'll see the difference.
We listen to proof and she basically doesn't have any also she avoided mirrors when she was supposedly beaten to a pulp ? Now that is odd. She's a liar
Now is 'imperfect victims'...for me victims are victims, women, men, NOT GENDER. Reals victims not abuser. That's tweet !!!!
MeToo is disgusted if we didnt listen to the actual victim. If the movement solely for advocating women, this already betray the sole purpose of the movement, which is for the 'actual victim'. Dont bother reading, i am a bot. Thanks.
If she wins this case she will make mockery of MeToo and set women's rights back by 50 years. Don't judge her by her 'image', judge her by the evidence. Changes her stories, faked pictures and lied UNDER OATH about charity donations. AbuseHasNoGender MenToo deppvheardtrial
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Its over if we can't distinguish the female grifters and bullies of imperfect men. See Asia Argentos treatment t of Anthony Board
Martha_Gill AH is another Roxanne Pallet, disgusting.
Wtf is this....?
Your tweet just sounds so unfair. Not gonna say much but looks like some fake trying to put up an misleading tweet when nothing has been proved yet and whatever has been witnessed till date public knows. MeToo DeppVsHeard
Don't embarrass us Aussies by posting such terrible takes. She was listened to for years and it's been revealed she was not a victim. She's not an imperfect victim, she walked into a court house to file a divorce with a bruise kit applied to her face which she even admits to.
People like you are the problem with this world.holding on to an ideology even in the face pretences and false claims.God forbid we request that people be held accountable for their claims just so we can hold on tightly to an idea that females are always the victim
Martha_Gill MeToo is over if we compare the blatant “discrepancies” in AH evidence with the “short skirt” argument.
We are listening to an imperfect victim....his name is johnny Depp
Try as hard as you like, you’re never going to turn the public opinion on this. All you’re doing it proving that people should be distrustful of “news” providers. We can watch literally every second of this trial. We can see every speck of evidence. You’re not going to win.
She's not a victim. She's the abuser.
Who paid for this article?
She has actually made things worse for women. Also, people are saying about blaming the woman, but there is a lot of blaming the addict too. If u use drink/drugs when u can't cope that doesn't make u a monster, that shows u are in pain
amberheard is not the person we should be defending. The evidence against her is so very damning She is the person who weaponised an important movment for her own gaine. The media coverage of this has been appalling, if you aren't watching the trial then you dont know the facts.
What?
So basically MeToo is over if we don't automatically believe Amber Heard even though all of the evidence points to ther being an abuser. If that is your argument, then maybe MeToo should be over. You don't stand for victims, you stand for hypocrisy
Amber Heard is not an 'imperfect victim', she is the abuser and there's a line of victims before and after JD that she physically attacked. JD has problems for sure, he's not perfect at all but violence against women is not one of JD's problems.
Imperfect victim: that’s Johnny, he admits drinking, struggling to be sober, running away on fights because he tries to get away from physical confrontation While Amber taunts,demeans,belittles,starts physical fight&gifts her claimed abuser with a knife? JusticeForJohnnyDepp
The Guardian was my favourite newspaper. I’m just thoroughly disappointed in you now. We can’t ignore the evidence just because she’s a woman. I’m a feminist, I am a survivor, metoo means nothing if we don’t get justice for everyone. The evidence shows Johnny was abused, by her.
MeToo is over if don’t also listen to male victims of abuse and, instead, condemn them because their gender.Your coverage of this very important issue has been shameful. As a loyal reader of guardian for years, I’ve lost all respect for you & your credibility AbuseHasNoGender
AmberHeardIsALiar AmberHeardlsAnAbuser amberheardisapsychopath AmberHeardIsAMonster AmberHeardIsAGoldDigger IStandWithJohnnyDepp JohnnyDeppIsInnocent WheresWaldman NeverFearTruth AbuseHasNoGender
Martha hope your son never faces Domestic Violence where they disbelieve because he's a man. Guardian if you need money please set up GoFundMe page you lost credibility. GurdianProtectsAbusers CancelGuardianAU
Before the trail begin I supported realamberheard and thought she was genuinely telling the truth but unfortunately she had been lying us whole time.
Correct. We should believe imperfect victims. Drug addicts and alcoholics can still be abused by their spouse. 100% correct, thats why I believe Johnny Depp AmberHeardlsAnAbuser
Evidence is the bedrock of the legal process. What's intriguing is the disparity between the U.K. verdict and the unfolding narrative in the U.S. Both trials relied on the same evidence. A media built narrative versus live streaming on-line has opened many people's eyes.
How disgusting of to support abusers. After all the evidence you expect public to believe your PR OP What about Johnny she admitted to hitting him multiple times. Stop your DISGUSTING WOKE CULTURE believe all female. Maletoo she took advantage of MeToo
We are all watching the trial! … I mean … she has no photograph, medical records, she has an excuse for everything except evidence…. And the sister knowing that she was in a supposed abusive relationship … didn’t take her sister out of that house…. Gold digger
The current me too of blindly believing all women should be over . What an absurd motto . This is basically brainwashing . The people can see the trial and judge for themselves . Stop controlling the narrative . It’s insulting to genuine victims .
Its so disgraceful how big media ignore facts to push a narrative, they only help an abuser, do damage to the actual issue. Amber has by fact lied under oath. she has her self said she was violent against Johnny, No person including HER friends, have ever seen Johnny be violent
So we are going to ignore all her compulsive lying added to a lack of empirical evidence? She’s a victim just because her genitals fit the narrative? If the answer to all the above is yes then it is our duty to bury the MeToo movement.
People listened to Amber back in 2016. They believed her. Blindly...without evidence. JD needed audio recordings, bodycam footage, police officer testimony etc. to prove that she abused him. I think it's time to listen to imperfect victims like Johnny Depp now. We owe him that.
People who don't know about this case deeply Choses side by seeing these type of article by media.everybody knows she is abuser and jd is victim if they are watching the trail .But I can't understand what is wrong with media they are still supporting her😑 JusticeForJohnnyDepp
I feel bad for Australia 😂 I see your women are still in Attack mode
Actually, the correct version is: 'If we turn Amber Heard, a woman who's blatantly lying, into a MeToo movement icon, the MeToo is over.'
Trash journalism. Trying to force opinions on others by bringing in social movements like metoo . Imperfect victim my ass
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What about listening to each person and making a decision to believe on the evidence and not because someone makes a claim. Is that really a crazy idea?
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metoo should just go to the trash if it favors the woman abuser than the actual victim(man)
If we just blindly listen to Guardian tell us what is truth, than we are truly over. Mentoo
Martha_Gill I think the main difference in this case is the trial is televised. People can hear and judge all the evidence without the filter of journalists. Truly I don’t think any of the journalists writing these stories have been actually watching the trial.
OMG the Guardian is SUCH a RAG of a media outlet. What a load of crap.
I think you've got that the wrong way around. metoo is over if we DO listen to the 'victims' like Amber Heard. GirlWhoCriedWolf
Paid media by Amber Heard's PR. Not gonna believe a single thing you said.
🤣🤣🤣 we heard her man!! Heard her admitting to hit Johnny, heard her admitting to perjury, heard her version of pledge and donations, heard and saw her 'injuries', saw her 'bruise kit', heard her describe dirty carpets and dog stepping on the bee!
Why not read 'imperfect victim' AH's own texts, attachments to Joshua Drew's court deposition ~
Why can't Johnny be the 'imperfect victim' here? He has also alleged abuse with WAY more concrete evidence. She went public first to destroy his reputation and become some DV survivor goddess/heroine. He went public just to clear his name. JusticeForJohnnyDeep AmberHeardIsALiar
I always thought guardian as a serious journal . I was badly wrong .
Heard v Depp is so complex I doubt anyone outside the court is able to truely say who's actually the victim.
She shouldn’t be abused again by an imperfect court system that allows an abusive drug addled man who destroyed his own career but blames everything and everyone but himself.
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Irony. You frame her as an imperfect victim but Johnny is an abuser if their heads clash when hes trying to stop her from attacking him.
You should be ashamed of yourself
Great quote. So many people are hung up on what a victim should or shouldn’t have done & likening their own experiences to Depp and Heard’s abusive dynamic. There’s no single way to be a victim and if you’re not the fragile “damsel in distress” you can’t be a victim apparently.
There are three options as to why this exists: 1) Someone paid you. 2) You're delusional. 3) All of the above.
‘Imperfect Victim’ A phrase used when the perpetrator of DV is a woman. E.g. ‘Amber Heard’ in JohnnyDeppAmberHeardTrial Metoo
Take gender out of it. She's an abuser. If JD was a woman would AH still be an imperfect victim? AH and her friends use his addiction against him as if addiction = violence, whilst all polydrug users themselves. Hollywood is a dysfunctional shit show.
The headline should read. Don’t believe facts and evidence, believe the woman. What a fkn joke the mainstream media has become… i know one thing forsure no one believes the media anymore
metoo is not just for women
She is not a fucking victim you bastards. She is the absuer and what the fack is an 'imperfect victim?' What the actual.
Ugh... as a woman who survived thru SA, I am realizing women and men can be a primary aggressor. mentoo if anything, if a woman lies and manipulates to make a man a victim when he is not, it it that woman who is negatively affecting the metoo movement and nothing else.
My god why are they defending an abusive liar 🤷♀️ I’m getting so pissed off with all this woke reporting 🙄
Getting tired of being gaslighted by the mass media. An abuser is called an imperfect victim? What's next? A murderer is a misunderstood victim? Come on 😩 AmberHeardIsALiar JusticeForJohnnyDepp
Your disgusting defending her. There’s literally all evidence against her.
No. It’s over because of B.S like your article and people like Amber Heard and her defenders. Because women won’t cater to abusers whoever they are.
Paid to take a side?
Therefore you want Heard to win to protect the MeToo agenda ? That’s messed up . Where is justice in that ?
Don’t forget that she testified that she was not a victim and got really defensive when told that, maybe you should edit your article as you want to suck up to a narcissist
When will it stop that women are only victims. Come on.
She's going to go broke paying for these articles
No metoo is over because of articles like this lmao
so we need to listen to Amber Turd cause she's female and men as DV victims do not exist in your world huh? JusticeForJohnny AmberHeardlsAnAbuser AmberIsALiar WeJustDontLikeYouAmber
Is this a woke-joke?
'Imperfect victims'? Throwing innocent people under the bus and ruining their lives despite garbage evidence is okay? Sickening
Bruh....what is this travesty of an article...imperfect as amber poo this is
Glad to see that I’m not the only one who thinks that Martha Gill is on Amber’s payroll :)
This is so messed up. Believe women, even if the evidence shows they're clearly lying. That's really where we're at? Disgusting.
So your supporting a women who lies about rape and donating to sick children , who laughs and trys to stop a man from walking away because he dosent want to be abused .
Is this article a freakin joke?
No, Metoo will be a dead cause if people do not call out abusive women like Heard. Your continual support of abusive women over men they have abused is only going to speed up that process. Don’t say we never warned you. Most people see through her and your bullsh*te.
I guess Me Too is over then. She isn’t getting away with her violent psychopathy any more.
Seems AmberTurds PR is working double time Whatever you cleaning up you do, the people watched the trial. The people know that AmberHeardIsALiar and that AmberHeardlsApsychopath
Heard v Depp is so complex I doubt anyone issue the court is able to truely say who's actually the victim.
It's over if we don't rely on evidence & acknowledge that SOME women lie. AmberHeardIsAnAbuser
She’s been fully listened to & supported by the public thanks to one-sided press coverage for six years; otherwise how did she become the ambassador of ACLU & the delegate of many DV projects? The fact is EVERYONE should have a fair chance to be listened to in the face of justice
Imperfect victims like JD.. AH is a psychopath
lmaoo what ?
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What the AmberHeardIsAnAbuser is this? Has Martha Gill even listened to the trial? We’ve heard the audio, seen crap evidence from turd. Just because she’s a woman doesn’t make her truthful. Must be a PR attempt by Turd
I’ve lost any and all respect for guardian over publishing all these these pro-Heard articles. It is clear from tapes that Heard is the abuser & Depp was the victim of her abuse, but you continue to try & change the narrative and manipulate your readers into thinking otherwise.
She is no victim
DeppvsHeard
Fun fact - European feminists have told you Anglo Feminist to fuck almost 50 years ago Another fun fact - The term FemiNazi was created by European feminists during an International feminist meeting in Denmark in 1973 1976 was also a bad year for Anglo feminists
And this is why metoo is now nothing more than a joke…
You're right. We should listen to JD.
So just as 'Donated' is synonymous with 'Pledged', 'Imperfect' is synonymous with 'Liar'?
Wait what,the kind of drugs you taking is burning your brain cells
Shouldn’t MeToo apply to any gender? It’s not about an imperfect victim but a dishonest one. And if we don’t expect women to also take accountability for their actions, then how can we consider ourselves equal to men?
Repeat after me AMBER IS AN ABUSER !!
You mean an evil person?!
She is still a lying woman whatever feminists are thinking she is guilty and you have to stop defend people just because they are women this is totally nonsense
Let me see if I understand this: 1. abusive + woman = victim 2. abusive + man = perpetrator Got it.
mdavisqlder Jaysus! What? The gains of 'Me too' is over if we don't accept that some men have also been abused in relationships and that manipulation, cruelty and mental health disorders are NOT determined by gender. FFS When we ask men to listen, we must be prepared to listen back.
No it will be over because of people like Amber Heard
Only the female could be victim? Man can’t ? What about Jonny ?
Is Metoo for women alone? In this context, i think Johnny depp is the victim right?
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I’m sure the Tesla family owns the guardian too. 🤦🏻♀️
metoo needs to be over. It’s absolutist garbage!
Imperfect or non existent?
She’s not a victim. She’s the abuser.
Amber Heard does not apply, shame on you from all the victims out there watching her make an complete mockery of their pain
Justice in UK is suck after this trial.
I don't ask what cultural change this writer is suggesting? Does metoo mean we start ignoring evidence and just go one one side's statement and this is justice? I'd like to this version of feminism's definition of equality.
If you are imperfect victim then you are a liar. Dihonset. She is a liar. Cheater.abuser and All world witness it.
Disgusting ‘journalism.’
I love the “ ‘imperfect victim’ “ thing you did there… very Guardianesque of you, cuz I can smell your BS all the way across the world.
You support a blatant liar who says she reads a lot and uses pledged and donated synonymously? Are you seriously calling a vicious woman imperfect? Wonder if we need to ask you if you use imperfect synonymously with some evil.
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Anybody who watched the full trial knows she’s full of lies and manipulation . The imperfect victim here is JD.
Imperfect victim? Is that because she is being investigated for perjury in Australia? Or because on multiple occasions she abused a man? So you can still be a victim if you lie through your teeth and assault your partner physically and verbally.
You mean a liar and an abuser? She abused Johnny Depp.
Hang on, you spelt female abusers incorrectly. It's not spelt ‘imperfect victims’
lmao what?
This statement is Despicable. So for the sake of your movement, an innocent man should be condemned. Ridiculous
AmberTurd
Oh good grief. If we can't accept that victims can be men and abusers can be women, then what good is your movement exactly? The 'imperfect' victim more often looks like Depp than Heard, you know, the typical blonde woman who was believed just because she shed a couple of tears.
Yes we need to listen to imperfect victims.... in this case its JD. There is a real problem if you deny justice and fairness because of gender despite overwhelming evidence.
‘Imperfect victims’ SHE is an abuser. What shite is this?
People really need to look up roxanne pallette in uk celeb big brother. Sadly there are women who do this for the wrong intentions
metoo is over if amber is the voice She’s 2 metoo what OJ simpson is 2 BLM She has hurt the voices of legitimate victims! That’s Y she disgusts me Maybe in ur abusive relationships U were allowed ‘safe’ words U know 2 tell ur abuser so he knew when 2 stop😤 AmberHeardIsALiar
Nope she lying and it worse if we support them
I wonder whos paying these media outlets to defend an abuser. My dears: WE ARE ALL WATCHING THE TRIAL! 🙄🙄
Johnny Depp is the victim. JusticeForJohnnyDepp
There is indeed a right-wing campaign using Heard to defame feminism and Me Too here. BUT that doesn't mean we need to defend her behavior or call her a victim. If anything, I think those that are lumping Heard with feminism are taking the right-wing bait and making it worse.
Shit up with this tripe! Facts are facts and we are following the facts.
We all are racist if we don't listen to imperfect victims like Jussie Smollett
But she’s not innocent? Both of them did wrong but Depp lost his career and she should too. If we are fighting for equality then responsibility should be taken as well. There’s not always 1 victim 1 perpetrator.