One white, one Black, they grew up in Hyde Park as best friends and didn’t realize how rare that was. ‘Some of My Best Friends Are ...’ is their popular podcast about race.

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As they got older, as Khalil Muhammad and Ben Austen became two of the leading voices on race and social justice in the country, they realized how rare their friendship was.

He said, as a resident, he’s hearing a lot of fear. He’s hearing a lot about plans to leave Chicago. “I hate hearing it. I hate it.” When he hears someone is leaving, he can’t help think, this ship is sinking. The more Chicagoans abandon Chicago, the worse it will get.. You could hear the cringe in his voice. He fears overreaction, a suffocating increase of policing, the inevitable loss of privacy. They both do.

He saw those bullets flying back in November. “I’m here every day, in what’s now called downtown Hyde Park, so as a small-business owner, I’m not concerned about too many police.” That said, he still listens to every episode of “Some of My Best Friends Are .…” During a fellowship at Harvard, he took a class with Muhammad. He said, “I don’t always align with them, but their insights — you do start to see the world differently.

 

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